If someone asks him, ‘What are these wounds on your body?’ he will answer, ‘The wounds I was given at the house of my friends.’ Zech 13 v 6

Saturday, July 31, 2010

Another Outrageous Comment

Another outrageous comment made, July 29, 2010 1:48 AM on
Open Letter from the Grandmother

Anonymous said...

You speak with an obvious, enormous amount of hate. Why? I understand how devastated you must be, if it were my granddaughter I would be saddened beyond words. But God has called you to be like Him, in Christ, there is no room for hate among the brethren. You swear at them, you say "bull, bull, bull" but who is the bull? The one who humbly repents? Or the one who refuses to forgive, and harbors evil contempt and hatred in their heart? We humans are not called to judge each other, you say that "Eddie" is "PURE EVIL", but read your bible, do you think that Jesus would approve of his servant(you) calling a man who He has redeemed and called as His own son "PURE EVIL"? Is it right for us to call a man chosen by God, loved by God, cherished by God "PURE EVIL"? You have called a holy man EVIL, you have taken God's child, and labeled him as EVIL, you have called Christ's holiness, which shines in Eddie, "PURE EVIL". Why, oh why? My heart holds no hate towards you, for Jesus loves you, and how could I hate you, whom Jesus loves? I know that your hurt is to deep for words, but please, do not hate the Rojases, think of it this way Jesus loves them, and how can you hate they that Jesus loves? Patrick has repented, he is forgiven, Jesus has forgiven him. His sins are washed away, he is whiter than snow. Patrick is a new creation in Christ, the old is no more, the Patrick that hurt your child no longer exists. Pray that that Patrick will never return, pray for Patrick to stay pure, and holy. You cry out to the government for Justice, but who is the greatest Judge of all? Jesus is, so stop trying to revenge the Rojas family, God will judge them. Ecc. the last verse " For God will bring every deed into judgement, including every hidden thing". Remember that verse, do not worry, God will bring justice, do not look for it in the government, we all see how often they fail.

May you be strengthened in Christ, for the furthering of his Glorious kingdom. May you understand that God is in control.

Jesus loves you- and them.
__________________________________________________________________________________

The following is a response from "The Grandmother."

Anonymous,

By anonymously commenting on my post, you show yourself to be a coward.

By your ignorant statements you show yourself to be a fool.

Bully for me!
Judy McBee

PS
You're a nasty hypocrite.The phrase,"Stupid is as stupid does" fits you perfectly in this situation. You anonymously snipe at me with judgmental platitudes and claptrap,while pontificating on the character of first a known pedophile and then a "wanted man." You got the response you earned.

20 comments:

Anonymous said...

Dear Judy,

I want to first and foremost say that I truly love you, because Jesus calls me as his child to love everyone. I believe that what I wrote to you was right and true, I wrote to you on biblical principals, I wrote in defense of Christ's holy children. Your reply brought tears to my eyes, stinging tears, like the ones you get when you have received a stinging slap in the face. You truly slapped my cheek, this letter I write is my act of turning the other side. Hit me again, if you wish in the next reply, do you not remember the verses about "turning the other cheek"? Please no that I hold no bitter feelings against you, that I write to you with the love of Christ. We as his followers are called to live holy lives, we are not called to swear at each other,or call each other names, or call each other lacking of sense. Please read these verses, the holy words of our father; Romans 13:9-10, and Romans 14:10-12. I believe that we must obey these holy words, do you?

May God bless you, he loves you.
May you be filled with the holy spirit, and may he open your eyes to understand his word.

Yes, Anonymous I remain- not as a coward, but so that you will focus on the words that I speak rather than on me.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous,
Is this what you tell or do if this was your child? Would you call the police?
Turning the cheek doesn't make this child's innocence come back or the nightmares go away.

Go to a few websites to see how much a a victim of a sexual assault have to go through just to be able to get through the day. Not just the person who was assaulted but the family..Clearly you have no clue the torture this family has gone through.
I do!!!!
Stop with you Christ's holy children. So from what you state Patrick is a child of Christ so did Christ tell him to commit the sexual crimes against his victims? Did he never read a bible to know it was wrong?
Since your big on versus in the bible please tell me what versus to read that sexual assault is ok?
I can not seem to find one?
Dee

Anonymous said...

Dee,
Let me get something strait, by no means am I saying that what Patrick did was right. Not at all. He sinned. But have you not sinned? Do you believe yourself to have never sinned? We all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, why then do you condemn Patrick so? This child, would probably have forgotten this all and gone on with life if it wasn't for her parents telling the whole world that she is a victim. Poor girl! One bad thing after another has happened to her, first what Patrick did to her, then all of the shame she must carry because her mom tells everyone about what happened to her, wants everyone to know it. If it were my child, I would have discussed it with the boy and his parents, and given the whole situation to God. Then I would have moved on in life, forgiven the family, and gone on loving them. I trust Patrick to God, God will save him, change him. We do not need to worry about what Patrick could do, that is between him and God. We must pray for Patrick, and the prayer offered up in faith God will answer. If we pray for Patrick to turn from his evil ways, and never do these things again, he will. God is my witness, I have prayed and I believe that Patrick is free from those sins and will never return to them.
Haven't you ever done something the bible says is wrong? Face it you have, so don't judge Patrick for doing the same. We must all strive to obey God's words, we all fail sometimes.

Anonymous said...

Dear Anonymous,
Wow...........did you know cults are run by people who know how to put enough truth into the lies to confuse you get you off kilter.......so when do we let the government do their job? What if Patrick had shot someone? Not killed JUST WOUNDED, would you be saying the same thing? Patrick wounded a child (just not with a gun) here that will have far reaching consequences for her and her family for the rest of their lives. I think you could give a grandma a break for feeling so utterly helpless and angry and hurt. I don't necessarily condone all she said, but I pray that I will never know what she is going through--it goes WAY beyond "saddened". It seems that Patrick and his family are the ones you think deserve a break. only God knows Patrick's heart and whether he is truly repentant. We can only judge his actions which don't speak well for him.
This isn't "just" about an incident. It is about betrayal in so many ways.

What do you do with Matthew 18:6 "If any of you put a stumbling block before one of these little ones who believe in me, it would be better for you if a great millstone were fastened around your neck and you were drowned in the depth of the sea.

I believe that Patrick put a stumbling block before a child who believes in Jesus.

I'm not saying throw him in the sea, but how about let the legal system do it's job of deterring someone from acting out again and again.

Even if he is Repentant he WILL re-offend if he has not put himself in a high accountability relationship/good boundaries. This is a pattern not a one time OOPS!

Michelle

Anonymous said...

We are not called to sexually abuse each other either. I would rather you swear at me, than sexually abuse my child. DEB Llewellyn

Anonymous said...

Anonymous,

I will pray that nothing like this happens to or any of your loved ones that you allow around a sex offenders and I hope that those prayers are answered quickly since you feel it is ok to put people in danger...


As for your idiotic comment about this would have all gone away if Danielle never told the world...

If only it was that easy to make all of it go away.

My daughter had the same thing happened I didn't tell the world and it never went away..We even prayed. She still to this day 15 years later has nightmares, scared to be alone and doesn't trust people, because her innocence was taken away by some SEX OFFENDER...

Please do me favor an just read some of the studies and statics on
the victims of sex crimes. Here is a great website to get you started http://www.victimrights.org/

Dee

Anonymous said...

Jeremiah 23:23-40

23 “Am I a God at hand, declares the Lord, and not a God far away? 24 Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the Lord. 25 I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in my name, saying, ‘I have dreamed, I have dreamed!’ 26 How long shall there be lies in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies, and who prophesy the deceit of their own heart, 27 who think to make my people forget my name by their dreams that they tell one another, even as their fathers forgot my name for Baal? 28 Let the prophet who has a dream tell the dream, but let him who has my word speak my word faithfully. What has straw in common with wheat? declares the Lord. 29 Is not my word like fire, declares the Lord, and like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces? 30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, declares the Lord, who steal my words from one another. 31 Behold, I am against the prophets, declares the Lord, who use their tongues and declare, ‘declares the Lord.’ 32 Behold, I am against those who prophesy lying dreams, declares the Lord, and who tell them and lead my people astray by their lies and their recklessness, when I did not send them or charge them. So they do not profit this people at all, declares the Lord.

33 “When one of this people, or a prophet or a priest asks you, ‘What is the burden of the Lord?’ you shall say to them, ‘You are the burden, [2] and I will cast you off, declares the Lord.’ 34 And as for the prophet, priest, or one of the people who says, ‘The burden of the Lord,’ I will punish that man and his household. 35 Thus shall you say, every one to his neighbor and every one to his brother, ‘What has the Lord answered?’ or ‘What has the Lord spoken?’ 36 But ‘the burden of the Lord’ you shall mention no more, for the burden is every man's own word, and you pervert the words of the living God, the Lord of hosts, our God. 37 Thus you shall say to the prophet, ‘What has the Lord answered you?’ or ‘What has the Lord spoken?’ 38 But if you say, ‘The burden of the Lord,’ thus says the Lord, ‘Because you have said these words, “The burden of the Lord,” when I sent to you, saying, “You shall not say, ‘The burden of the Lord,’” 39 therefore, behold, I will surely lift you up and cast you away from my presence, you and the city that I gave to you and your fathers. 40 And I will bring upon you everlasting reproach and perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten.’”

Anonymous said...

That Scripture is a stern warning to you Danielle and to all who have been deceived by her bitterness and hatred. Turn back to God before it is too late...

Danielle said...

from anonymous~"This child, would probably have forgotten this all and gone on with life if it wasn't for her parents telling the whole world that she is a victim. Poor girl! One bad thing after another has happened to her, first what Patrick did to her, then all of the shame she must carry because her mom tells everyone about what happened to her, wants everyone to know it."

You REALLY mean, Patrick could have gone on sexually abusing little girls if I hadn't told "the whole world."

Why would my child feel any shame? She hasn't anything to be ashamed of! What she had to endure, process through, and on some level deal with her entire life is of no fault of her own!

I am mindful of my child and their emotions regarding this blog. I'm glad that you acknowledge my child and their well being finally!

Anonymous said...

Anon ~
THIS scripture (Jer.23:23-40), actually--rather clearly in fact--describes what happened to a pastor of a small church who abused not only his position but also God's holy word. Yes, this scripture is talking about the one who, to this day, remains cast away and is living in everlasting reproach and perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten. (As in Eddie Rojas) Right ?
This scripture is no 'stern warning' to Danielle or to anyone who supports us but instead it stands as a healthy reminder that Eddie is where he is because God IS in charge and Eddie did not do the right thing when his own son did the wrong thing.
And by the way, we don't need to 'turn back to God' because He's right here with us sharing our bitterness and hatred for a pedophile who to this day REFUSES TO NAME HIS 5 OTHER VICTIMS !!!

Remember how this works ?
(1) Confess sin
(2) Ask for forgiveness
(3) Etc., etc.

Before you go offering up Jesus's forgiveness to a sinner for Him [and BTW, your friend is stuck on number (1) ]....here's a stern warning for you and Patrick, spoken by Jesus himself:

John 5:14 ...."Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you."



Eric J.
Schneider

Anonymous said...

Danielle & Eric

Holding people accountable, and protecting others from being harmed by them, does not negate forgivness. Obviously, all of us need to guard our hearts from bittnerness and pride, but that does not mean we should stand idly by when others are in danger.

We would warn a friend to lock their doors and windows if a thief was known to be in the neighborhood, and I doubt that any would complain that we were being judgemental. It's a much more difficult issue when we're dealing with pedophilia -- it's a hidden crime, and VERY hard to prove. It's effects are devastating. We're not talking about a laptop being stolen, and easily replaced.

I know that God forgives and changes people. But we must be wise. I'd assume an organization wouldn't hire a convicted embezzler to run the accounting department. Why give him the opportunity to reoffend? How can the community hold Patrick accountable and not give him the opportunity to offend? I don't have all the answers, but hope that keeping people alert will help. Keep hanging in there.

God Bless,
Cathy Bittner

Gina said...

Anonymous,
In the first comment that was posted here, you write: "Patrick is a new creation in Christ, the old is no more, the Patrick that hurt your child no longer exists. Pray that that Patrick will never return, pray for Patrick to stay pure, and holy."

If the old Patrick truly no longer existed, there would be no need to pray that he never return. But I know that my own old self lies only shallowly buried. I can easily revert to that hurt and hurting person, particularly when I try to act as though she does not exist. It is only when I am fully cognizant of the wrongness of that past, as well as being in real relationship with people who will not excuse or cover for that wrongness, but who force me to face it and to accept and deal with the consequences of my actions, that I am able to live freely in my new self.

So, how is telling people to forget what Patrick is done going to help him face and deal with the consequences he has earned?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous-
You say that “the Patrick that hurt your child no longer exists”… so when did he change? After he abused his first sister? Or maybe his second? Or was it his third, fourth, or fifth? Or was Danielle and Eric’s daughter his miraculous turning point? You don’t let a sexual predator abuse over and over, and then say, “oh he’s had a miraculous healing! No worries!” NO! you understand that this is a pattern and CAN and WILL happen again if people are ignorant!

You talk about how Patrick is cherished by God, and I agree he is, but isn’t Danielle and Eric’s precious innocent daughter and all the other little girls who are in harms reach worth fighting for and protecting!!??

You say that you write in “defense of God’s holy children”… so why aren’t you defending God’s holy children who have had their innocence and purity stolen from them by no fault of their own?

You say “we do not need to worry about what Patrick could do”… REALLY!? So you wouldn’t be cautious around someone, and warn people who have children about someone that has offended over and over??!!? I pray for Patrick, as you do, but I would not be so ignorant as to think that he is safe! That would just be careless and irresponsible!!

I honestly hope and pray that any child that is in your care never experiences the trauma of sexual abuse because you clearly don’t take it seriously!

Danielle, thank you for sharing some of what you have had to deal with. I think many of us can agree that better understanding the opposition that you have had to deal with on a daily basis will make us pray harder for you and your family.
Bethany

Danielle said...

Dee,Michelle,Cathy Bittner,Gina,and Bethany,

Thank you! Thank you for your comments, support, and prayers.

Anonymous said...

The Glory of the Cross

Words and music by Bob Kauflin
As recorded on Songs for the Cross Centered Life

What wisdom once devised the plan
Where all our sin and pride
Was placed upon the perfect Lamb
Who suffered, bled, and died?
The wisdom of a Sovereign God
Whose greatness will be shown
When those who crucified Your Son
Rejoice around Your throne

And, oh, the glory of the cross
That You would send Your Son for us
I gladly count my life as loss
That I might come to know
The glory of, the glory of the cross

What righteousness was there revealed
That sets the guilty free
That justifies ungodly men
And calls the filthy clean?
A righteousness that proved to all
Your justice HAS BEEN met
And holy wrath is SATISFIED
Through one atoning death

What mercy now has been proclaimed
For those who would believe
A love incomprehensible
Our minds could not conceive?
A mercy that forgives my sin
Then makes me like Your Son
And now I’m loved forevermore
Because of what You’ve done


© 2000 Sovereign Grace Praise (BMI).

derdeb said...

I went down to the end of that song before reading it...of course...Sovereign Grace...nuff said!
DEB

Anonymous said...

Dear readers,
The peace of our Lord be with you.
Do you hate Patrick? If so, read this: 1 John 4:20-21
20If anyone says, "I love God", and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. 21And this commandment we have from Him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.

I think we all know that this does not just mean blood brothers, but brothers in Christ. Patrick is our brother in Christ is he not?
I want to make a statement, I LOVE PATRICK!!! We are called to love the each other, that means EVERYONE. If you hate Patrick, you do not love God. Be warned, turn and repent now of your slander and hate.

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russianangel2002 said...

To all who defend Patrick:
The rage i feel at reading this is all consuming.
I am a victim of sexual abuse. At 6 MONTHS, my uncle did it. From 13 to 20, my FATHER, did it.
You say Patrick is "clean?" You say he is "pure?" NO, he cant be, for the simple fact, he took a PURE child, a CLEAN child and made her feel tainted, and unclean. She will forever wonder what she did wrong to deserve the kind of treatment.
"To hate patrick, is to not love God." Well, I believe in God, I love Our Creator, but I DO NOT have to love one of his children that has welcomed the devil. Patrick chose to inflict pain upon another person. He chose to do EVIL things. He chose to go AGAINST GOD!!!!
As a victim, i can honestly say, MAY HE ROT IN HELL!
Yes, i know that is very unchristian, but I personally know how that child feels. The disgust in herself, the fear that someone else will do it again. The nightmares that will haunt her. The pain she will go through when she is finally intimate with someone.
She had the courage to stand up and say something. I didnt until i found out I was pregnant with a little girl. My daughter is now 2 months old and I live with he fear that if i leave her alone with her grandfather, will he touch her too? Will her make her stay silent like he did me?
When I finally said something, when I finally told my MOTHER, I was 4 months pregnant. She told me i was over reacting. That he couldn't do that. And then told my fiance, that is was none of his concern.
I pray that NONE of you ever have to deal with this, that you never have to see the pain in a childs eyes.
My name is Heather, and i am a victim.
STOP THE SILENCE!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

"This child, would probably have forgotten this all and gone on with life if it wasn't for her parents telling the whole world that she is a victim. Poor girl! "

Ah, if it was only that easy.

I told no one of the sexual abuse I suffered for years. Guess that means I should have forgotten it and moved on?

The secrecy almost killed me.

The best thing I ever did is finally tell the right people.

I wish Danielle had been my mother.